1 00:00:04,780 --> 00:00:08,440 In the millennium process, Frie Palmers charged with two murders. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,300 Her best friend Brechtje Vinvogel, 18 years ago, and her daughter 3 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:16,400 Rose. Frie and Stefan, that was a lot bad marriage. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,460 That divorce battle broke her. 5 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:25,320 And then he leaves you for a new one woman. Yes, but Roos is not a secretive person. 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,240 You still have her as a teacher yourself accepted by your school. 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,420 From where does it get to you at once that I would have done something to Roos? 8 00:00:33,790 --> 00:00:36,810 I know you'll see your daughter there soon tried to slit his throat. 9 00:00:36,890 --> 00:00:39,730 I'm going to get you. And then I'll take care of it that you will go to jail for Jaren. 10 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:45,730 I still don't understand why you Palmers necessarily wants a people's jury. 11 00:00:46,370 --> 00:00:50,770 We're just going to be honest with them jury. And immediately admit all mistakes 12 00:00:50,770 --> 00:00:51,770 Donald made. 13 00:00:51,970 --> 00:00:55,870 I want an answer to my question. Yes or no? So you don't fully believe that 14 00:00:55,870 --> 00:00:59,510 Free Palmer's friend Brechtje Killed Windevogel? 15 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:00,730 Actually not. 16 00:01:00,970 --> 00:01:03,250 I have no further questions. I thank you. 17 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:07,510 The one here. 18 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:12,270 Vera. Carl, you're here first drawn, so you are head of the 19 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:15,290 jury. You're not supposed to gets emotional at the slightest thing. 20 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:19,450 Holly the Meulenmeester. 21 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:20,930 Google that one. 22 00:01:21,310 --> 00:01:22,310 Not Keusters. 23 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:23,870 The Meul Master. 24 00:01:25,010 --> 00:01:28,150 It was eight years ago millionaire couple the meulenmeester 25 00:01:28,150 --> 00:01:29,730 gruesomely murdered in a homejacking. 26 00:01:30,110 --> 00:01:33,530 Their daughter, Holly the Meulenmeester, is now head of the jury in the 27 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:37,450 millennium process. I'd give you a lift can give, but then you promise me 28 00:01:37,450 --> 00:01:38,770 that you are going to express dirty manners. 29 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:41,730 I have my father's construction company taken over. 30 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:45,170 Don't do that because you don't enjoy it finds that profit. That's a million 31 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:47,150 euros, Björn, that's over our heads hangs. 32 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:51,670 That's what receptionism is, isn't it? 33 00:01:52,970 --> 00:01:54,570 Yes, it is. 34 00:01:55,410 --> 00:01:57,550 God damn those people, they got them need balance. 35 00:01:57,810 --> 00:01:59,090 Well, okay? 36 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:00,410 That is illegal. 37 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,940 Someone just collapsed at the bus stop of Sint-Vincentius. 38 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,820 Maybe someone should go there after all be sent. 39 00:02:59,470 --> 00:03:00,570 The full right. 40 00:03:02,050 --> 00:03:03,570 The complete? Yes. 41 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:09,510 The judge followed us completely. Free macros. One day every two weeks 42 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:10,510 have with her. 43 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:12,070 Not a moment more. 44 00:03:12,310 --> 00:03:13,390 That's fantastic. 45 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,150 Dad. 46 00:03:15,550 --> 00:03:16,550 Mom. 47 00:03:25,050 --> 00:03:26,410 What is that? 48 00:04:34,670 --> 00:04:37,430 What did you do to lock that door? 49 00:04:38,290 --> 00:04:45,190 What is that? 50 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:35,800 Where is she? – Please stop. She's sleeping. 51 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,320 You don't have the judge today understand. 52 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:39,040 Give the shooter back. 53 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:41,380 I'm going to call the cops. Are you going to the cop calling? 54 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:42,720 Then we start drinking. 55 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:44,140 And then? 56 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,420 Once, Marc-Arsène. Once in the fourteen days. 57 00:05:49,940 --> 00:05:53,540 It's twelve o'clock. It starts now. Such bullshit. 58 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:55,020 Come, let me in. 59 00:05:55,340 --> 00:05:57,160 I'm going to call the cops, wait a minute. 60 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Zatlam. 61 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,340 There's something wrong with you. There's something wrong with you seriously. 62 00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:06,910 I have to protect my child. Against what? 63 00:06:07,530 --> 00:06:08,530 Against you. Against me? 64 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:10,750 Would it be the other way around, you bitch? 65 00:06:40,010 --> 00:06:41,830 I don't really know if he's a bird murdered. 66 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,260 I didn't sleep this morning. 67 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Maybe. 68 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,920 That is an employee of our neighbors. 69 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,280 That will happen. 70 00:08:36,539 --> 00:08:38,600 Maybe he had people and questions can... 71 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:47,090 That thing is probably okay. Yes, or not, Björn. Look, small, that's what I say 72 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:48,090 do carry out. 73 00:08:48,650 --> 00:08:49,650 Sure. 74 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:53,790 Make me happen for the little, yeah? I arrange that. 75 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:58,410 Yes, but we can. If you like the things everything will be fine. 76 00:09:38,729 --> 00:09:39,729 Good morning. 77 00:09:42,330 --> 00:09:43,330 Good morning. 78 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:49,990 I need to talk about you first. 79 00:09:50,450 --> 00:09:51,470 Let me rest, Dad. 80 00:09:52,130 --> 00:09:53,430 That's not an answer. 81 00:09:53,690 --> 00:09:55,790 I didn't deserve that punishment, okay? 82 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:58,310 You just have to listen at school. 83 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:59,550 Hey, sweetheart, come on. 84 00:10:03,810 --> 00:10:05,690 Tell Dad what happened. 85 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,500 The math one went on Monday give test. 86 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 And then it's Monday and suddenly it happens that test fails. 87 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,560 Yeah, that made me angry, didn't it? 88 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 What kind of degraded behavior is that of mathematics? 89 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:24,040 For me, I don't want to punish you like that do. 90 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,200 Yes, then you can call the school, because that's already Wednesday. 91 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,400 No, I really can't. I have to go at nine be in court for hours. 92 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,040 Appetizing chicken. 93 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Are you now expecting an apology from me? yesterday with Donald? 94 00:10:57,060 --> 00:10:59,020 I'm curious what you think about that have to say. 95 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,120 We had to get Donald to testify first. We had no other choice. 96 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,320 Then I will go to your testimony today also hear surprises again. 97 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,300 Do you really doubt me, Hedwig? 98 00:11:12,580 --> 00:11:15,760 One more time and we can name our name maybe better to have it changed. 99 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,440 I don't think that's possible. 100 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:48,300 That's lying, isn't it? 101 00:12:00,430 --> 00:12:01,970 What do you mean? You lie, you fly. 102 00:12:03,330 --> 00:12:04,330 Good morning. 103 00:12:04,950 --> 00:12:07,330 Maybe we can just join the Palma case, right? 104 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:12,370 Hey, folks. 105 00:12:12,730 --> 00:12:14,890 At least Olly has one of those every time experienced the process. 106 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:17,790 Don't underestimate that experience? 107 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:19,650 Look, here it is. 108 00:12:38,189 --> 00:12:41,190 Look... If you don't mind, I would I'd rather not talk about it, okay? 109 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:43,190 I hope you understand that. 110 00:12:44,330 --> 00:12:45,330 No. 111 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:47,370 The head of the jury should not be lying down. 112 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:51,390 Karl, can we just stop talking about that stupid honor position? 113 00:12:52,810 --> 00:12:54,770 We just really can't take you anymore trust. 114 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:57,430 Tile, Tans. 115 00:13:01,350 --> 00:13:02,350 Was that real? 116 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:12,290 So what is happening everywhere? 117 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:15,850 Okay, come park if you want. 118 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:17,430 Don't panic. 119 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:23,070 The same money you send here for free then, but... Just leave me a minute 120 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:24,070 get through. 121 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:30,330 Hello. Good day. 122 00:13:31,410 --> 00:13:34,190 Am I going to help? 123 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:38,850 There's a Brazilian not there last night legally admitted to hospital. 124 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:42,250 He went to work in the morning at one yard according to his wife. 125 00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:46,330 Yes, and not this yard. You guys company recently received a conviction 126 00:13:46,330 --> 00:13:47,330 incurred for undeclared work. 127 00:13:47,470 --> 00:13:49,470 Yes, but that time is already over. 128 00:13:49,790 --> 00:13:51,710 Should we take a look around here? yard? Okay. 129 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:53,789 What is that? 130 00:13:53,790 --> 00:13:54,890 The labor inspectorate. 131 00:13:55,810 --> 00:13:59,130 Just keep the lists of who is there registered today. Just as practical. 132 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:01,350 Would it have been long? I didn't know that we still need a gesture here 133 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:04,310 put down. How faster you make the lists how quicker that is done 134 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:05,950 is. Good. Then we'll sort that out. 135 00:14:06,190 --> 00:14:07,190 Okay. 136 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:21,430 Can I ask everyone again the jury to be here on time 137 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:22,430 to be? 138 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:24,850 You may sit down. 139 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:33,650 Madam President, before the start of I would still like to have the hearing 140 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:34,690 juror questions. 141 00:14:35,630 --> 00:14:36,850 Holly Keusters. 142 00:14:37,450 --> 00:14:40,270 Or should I say Holly de Meulemeester? 143 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:44,170 Isn't it a little too late there? for, Master Spaak? 144 00:14:44,430 --> 00:14:48,630 Mrs. de Meulemeester is impossible judge objectively in this matter. 145 00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:52,250 She was a victim of one herself heinous crime. 146 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:54,930 She also kept it quiet here. 147 00:14:57,470 --> 00:14:59,270 Master Spaak, what are you actually saying? 148 00:15:00,490 --> 00:15:05,750 That someone who has become a victim of rape... is incapable 149 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:09,670 to judge in a murder case... in which the perpetrator also rapes someone 150 00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:12,160 has. Yes, I'm joining Mrs chairman at. 151 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,280 The people on the jury take by definition brings a certain baggage to this process. 152 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,400 And that is not for Mrs Keusters otherwise. 153 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:25,860 Mrs. Keusters, do you believe that yourself? can handle this process? 154 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:29,660 Absolute. 155 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Madam Attorney, I don't see any only problem in that Mrs Keusters 156 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,080 sits on the jury. 157 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,840 Request for inquiry is rejected. 158 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,660 Nothing indicates that Mrs. Keusters could not judge objectively. 159 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Lady Mullet Master, can you hear me? 160 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:04,680 The people of Victim Support are on the way now. 161 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:11,260 I know it's annoying, but I... you have to ask some questions. 162 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:14,980 You stayed at the café all night? 163 00:16:17,140 --> 00:16:18,440 Yes, see you tomorrow. 164 00:16:21,220 --> 00:16:23,080 I was partying with my girlfriends. 165 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:27,120 And I also met a guest. 166 00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:30,380 And then you go home with him gone? 167 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,400 No. 168 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,100 We just kissed and danced then I went home. 169 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:40,960 It was 7 o'clock or so when I got home. 170 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:36,550 Chief Inspector Pasquale. 171 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:41,430 We met you yesterday during the hearing hearing about the bad relationship 172 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:44,330 that you have with the accused madam Palmers. 173 00:17:44,770 --> 00:17:50,770 An outsider might think that you may have been looking for something about her 174 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:51,770 to condemn. 175 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:57,050 Madam President, we have one entire police team in recent years 176 00:17:57,050 --> 00:18:00,650 sufficient material evidence has been collected those charged to Mrs. Palmers to 177 00:18:00,650 --> 00:18:01,650 come forward. 178 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:03,570 Okay, I'm going to let you go. 179 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:09,550 On December 26, 2016 it gets emergency number 100 next call in, 180 00:18:09,670 --> 00:18:10,870 about 11 after 10. 181 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:34,760 Ma'am, you need to go upstairs. 182 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,460 Don't know. 183 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,760 Don't know. 184 00:18:39,420 --> 00:18:40,980 Is anyone else busy? 185 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:42,420 My mother is here. 186 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,460 Madam, it is very important that there someone is trying to stop those wounds. 187 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Madam. 188 00:18:54,440 --> 00:19:01,360 It was immediately clear 189 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,700 that this was a crime. 190 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:05,880 Can you explain that a little more? 191 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:10,420 A window had been smashed with a stone in Roos' room. 192 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,720 As you can see here on the map, Roos' room is located on the 193 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,980 ground floor and gives access to the garden through this glazed exterior door. 194 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:24,520 Someone has to go to Roos' room have walked there with one 195 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,480 stone smashed the glass of that door. 196 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:30,160 We arrived on site quite quickly. 197 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:34,740 It was quite chaotic there as we were arrived. There were many neighbors outside. 198 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,020 We met in the nursery several traces of blood. 199 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:46,140 Research showed that this is the case rose's blood. 200 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,600 On one glass shard we found a fingerprint. 201 00:19:59,590 --> 00:20:03,810 It was only a fingerprint on the outside of the glass. From whom 202 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:05,530 was that fingerprint? Free Palmers. 203 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:11,630 But a fingerprint on the outside of the glass only means 204 00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:13,570 that Mrs. Palmers outside the window stood? 205 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:15,270 Indeed. 206 00:20:15,810 --> 00:20:18,670 Yet you were immediately convinced that she was the perpetrator. 207 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:23,070 There were already many in the local police complaints have been received about her. 208 00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:25,390 Stalking, threats, burglary. 209 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,440 Mrs. Palmers says that: came because she lost her parents at the beginning of 2016 210 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,520 has unlawful authority over Roos lost. 211 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Mrs. Palmers likes to wallow very much in the role of the victim. 212 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,440 I've never had her personally to be honest. 213 00:20:43,180 --> 00:20:50,100 What do you mean? Mr. De Munk emerged at the beginning of 2016 tell our service that he 214 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:54,020 believed Mrs. Palmers involved was at the murder of Rechivinde Vogel. 215 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,080 Like? 216 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:09,020 This letter 217 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:20,580 dates 218 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:22,000 of a month before the facts. 219 00:21:23,850 --> 00:21:28,070 I'd rather take Roos to my grave then its only one day every two weeks 220 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,009 to be able to see. 221 00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:31,230 Mrs. Palmers, stand up. 222 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:37,730 Did you write this letter? 223 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:42,370 Come on, room. That's just seven. My client never uses such words 224 00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:46,830 used. Besides, anyone can do one of those type letter. Even you, Madam 225 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:50,210 Chief Inspector, can you send such a letter enter. Mister Spaak. 226 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:54,320 You will be given the opportunity to do this later dispute. I would like to have that 227 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,020 Mrs Palmers now answers the question. 228 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,260 I didn't write that letter. 229 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,580 And here, on that envelope. 230 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:05,900 Was that written to you? 231 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,680 Yes. 232 00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:10,900 You wrote fuck you there. 233 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,720 Yes. 234 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Yes, but... That was another letter that that was in that envelope. That wasn't 235 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,560 that letter. 236 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:35,000 What did the cops do? 237 00:22:50,939 --> 00:22:51,939 Yes, nothing. 238 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,180 We are the third law inspectorate itself, so that's no problem at all. 239 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,680 It'll be fine, little one. 240 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:01,180 Everyone is registered. And then Brazilian? 241 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,100 Yes, it is on the move. 242 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,380 Too tensive, but he's okay. 243 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,560 I can never fuck you on that envelope allowed to write. 244 00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:45,280 Vriep, you have to prove that you are in that period had side effects from you 245 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000 antidepressants. That you didn't know well what you did. 246 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,080 We should have invested more in it Stefane Margot. 247 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,020 On the fact that she collaborates with the cop. 248 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,600 They probably even have it in there typed a letter. 249 00:23:59,820 --> 00:24:01,560 But we can't prove that. 250 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,140 to clear your mind. 251 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:13,360 And later you'll go back inside, okay knowing that you have not yet been convicted. 252 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,940 Madam Chief Inspector, I'm reading up several reports that Mrs. Palmers u 253 00:24:23,940 --> 00:24:27,540 accuses it of being unlawful obtain a DNA swab in it 254 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:28,540 hospital. 255 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,080 I wanted Mrs. Palmers as a suspect exclude. 256 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:36,630 She has a form at the hospital signed in which she volunteered her 257 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:37,629 donates DNA. 258 00:24:37,630 --> 00:24:40,570 Yet you would have promised them afterward was allowed to see her daughter? 259 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:42,010 I didn't promise anything at all. 260 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,250 I followed the procedure correctly. 261 00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:48,150 And why did it still take weeks? before you suspected her? 262 00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:51,770 Because Mrs. Palmers gives us more hindered rather than helped. 263 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:55,170 I would like to show the jury something else. 264 00:24:59,050 --> 00:25:00,710 I was home at ten o'clock. 265 00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:03,030 Just now he was still at school until ten o'clock. 266 00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:08,210 At school, at home... I was alone. 267 00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:13,130 Can you please repeat it again in order what you did before you at eleven o'clock 268 00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:14,130 did you go to sleep? 269 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:16,570 Again? 270 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:19,230 No difficult questions, Mrs. Palmers. 271 00:25:19,890 --> 00:25:26,810 You went to bed at 11 p.m. and... for that... Let's do that now 272 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:28,870 take a break? No, taking a break is for later. 273 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,060 So I repeat my question. 274 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,660 Why do you always side with Stefan? 275 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:38,000 What have I done to you? 276 00:25:38,380 --> 00:25:40,400 I don't choose anyone by terms, ma'am Pauwers. 277 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:42,940 Yes. 278 00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:46,260 Yes. 279 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,420 I've been there before, yes. 280 00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:55,140 But that's normal, right? 281 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,960 It's my child. 282 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,350 I was only allowed to see her once in the 14 days. That's normal. 283 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:04,870 So you've already gone home? 284 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:07,690 Yes. And when, for example? 285 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:13,970 Sinterklaas. 286 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:19,210 So those fingerprints are from class December? 287 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:22,810 Yes. Yes. 288 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:24,370 I think, yes. 289 00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:33,100 So you weren't at that window on second Christmas day... No, I was at school! 290 00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:34,820 Calm. 291 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,000 You react quite strongly. 292 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,660 Are you actually violent? person, Mrs. Palmers? 293 00:26:41,660 --> 00:26:45,780 You already have someone physically attacked. A social assistant from 294 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:46,780 child and family. 295 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,660 That pride of child and family has inspired me child taken away. 296 00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:53,480 She took my child away. 297 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:05,500 This interview was conducted on 7 January 2017, when the doctors were still 298 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:07,440 believed that Roos would attack survive. 299 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,660 Unfortunately it didn't happen. 300 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:12,780 How exactly did Roos die? 301 00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:17,720 Roos' neck wound was actually not there so deep. The doctors were able to help her 302 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,560 operated successfully, but she suffered a hospital bacteria. 303 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,560 After a week of fighting in the hospital they died. 304 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:50,600 Are you happy with how things are going? 305 00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:55,000 They won't make me unhappy in this, you know that. 306 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:57,880 So until as long as Azize lasts. 307 00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:00,280 I'll take it for a while. 308 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,360 It will be a lot less hassle with professional judges, I think. 309 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:12,100 Please explain to me what that means door part of those three more judges 310 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,800 worth than that of those twelve people the jury? 311 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:20,680 Wait until the law stick is there with that one DNA explanation is completed. I know there is one 312 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,660 some of your jurors are not going to be able to allowed. 313 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,620 You cannot underestimate the people. 314 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:26,080 I don't underestimate them. 315 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:33,320 Are you going to appeal to cassation if there is one? yes comes to the guilt questions? 316 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,840 That's gone. 317 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,560 At some point we all had surveillance footage from the area 318 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,560 requested. 319 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,800 This is 200 meters away from the home of Stefan and Margot. 320 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,620 A few minutes before Roos de throat was slit. 321 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,820 According to Mrs. Palmers, she was sitting up at the time school. 322 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,960 She never actually has an adequate one can explain why they do so 323 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560 here near Stefan's house and Margot can be seen. 324 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,940 There is indeed an adequate one explanation for. 325 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,220 It's for Mrs. Palmers just the way home from school. 326 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:14,820 Master Spaak, you will receive it later word. 327 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:20,910 Free Palmers couldn't stomach that Stefan and Margot the exclusive 328 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:23,510 parental authority over her daughter Roos had received. 329 00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:27,310 Did she want Roos with premeditated advice? kill, according to you? 330 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:30,630 That neck wound might not have been like that deep. 331 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:35,510 But that child would have bled to death anyway. Excuse me Madam Superintendent if 332 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:38,490 I may, but that is not the case open to interpretation? 333 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:42,190 The medical examiner's report states that the cut in Roos' neck 334 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:43,590 was superficial. 335 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,440 I understand from that, so not fatal. 336 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,960 It says in that report that Roos was bled to death like Margot and Ludgard 337 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,980 Tindemans did not have that child in time found. That certainly makes it one 338 00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:57,000 fatal cut and therefore murder. 339 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,620 But how do you actually explain that such a cut only on one side of the 340 00:30:01,620 --> 00:30:04,660 shard of glass had a fingerprint on it, why not on both sides? 341 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,720 Our theory is that Mrs. Palmer's glass has been smashed with gloves 342 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,110 On. But that hair was forgotten fingerprint was still on the glass 343 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:15,910 another time when she came to us look. With Sinterklaas, for example. 344 00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:20,090 Yes, I don't read it anywhere yet police file that you have that 345 00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:22,670 gloves have examined those Mrs Palmers wears. 346 00:30:22,930 --> 00:30:26,110 We have help with a house search Mrs Palmers those gloves too 347 00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:27,530 could never find it again, unfortunately. 348 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:29,309 Why not? 349 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:31,030 You should ask Mrs Palmers that. 350 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:33,810 Mrs Palmers, please stand up. 351 00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:36,850 Where are those gloves? 352 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:39,350 Don't know. 353 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,080 They were gone during the search. They are normally always downstairs, but... 354 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,859 they were gone. 355 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:48,720 Did the police take it away? according to you? 356 00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:51,140 Yes. 357 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,960 Sorry, why would anyone from my team make those gloves disappear? That 358 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,960 isn't it ridiculous? 359 00:30:57,980 --> 00:31:00,860 Those gloves would be our case alone but make it stronger. 360 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,700 But this does confirm that ma'am Palmer's gloves just before the fact 361 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,820 wore. That's you in the images, isn't it? 362 00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:13,890 Yes. And do you have an explanation for that? Because this is not the shortest route 363 00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:14,890 school to your house, right? 364 00:31:15,670 --> 00:31:19,890 It is indeed a short way, but I... also have a safer path that I take if 365 00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:20,890 it's dark. 366 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:23,430 So this was the safe route? Yes. 367 00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:28,650 So you maintain that you are not in the near Stefan and Margot's house 368 00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:30,230 Have you been to the second Christmas? No. 369 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:33,130 Why do the police only say thank you? me? 370 00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:38,270 I just heard Mrs. Pasquale say that they have all the other suspects 371 00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:42,530 ruled out. She doesn't even know who all the are Stefan's exes. 372 00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:45,790 And who are we talking about here? 373 00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:48,710 Headless frogs. 374 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:52,910 Who really weren't happy when Roos became born. 375 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:58,170 So you think one of those women is Rose wanted to attack? 376 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:01,290 I'm just saying that the police has not investigated. 377 00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:05,990 And I also say that they never Margot or suspected her mother. 378 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:09,660 Why would they attack Roos with a shard? 379 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320 But how did you say that Roosje cried a lot? 380 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,680 She tried me from the beginning to take everything away. 381 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:23,660 She also succeeded. 382 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,940 If she didn't cut that to kill, then... 383 00:32:36,649 --> 00:32:38,410 Isn't it possible to guess an advance amount? 384 00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:41,830 I had the feeling that someone was working on it was lying. 385 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:43,230 I think so too. 386 00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:47,190 The first day I thought that Fria was her sadness was real. 387 00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:52,310 Yesterday made her doubt and today... Maybe she has it after all 388 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:54,550 done. I'm not going again tonight can sleep. 389 00:32:58,270 --> 00:32:59,270 No choice today? 390 00:32:59,530 --> 00:33:00,530 No. 391 00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:02,830 It wasn't exactly success. 392 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:05,870 It's not the easiest either gang. 393 00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,570 The way Karel treats Holly, I don't care about that. 394 00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:15,410 Sorry, but... Maybe you should try something else instead 395 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:17,330 choose. I don't try anything else. 396 00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:19,510 It's all way too complicated my moped. 397 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:20,830 The moped? 398 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:22,010 Where does he come from then? 399 00:33:22,550 --> 00:33:23,550 Testelbergen. 400 00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:27,230 I never had a driver's license again. But I pass there every day. Why are we going? 401 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:28,230 not card pools? 402 00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:29,850 But that's a good plan. 403 00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:31,590 I'll bake a cake sometime. 404 00:33:40,679 --> 00:33:41,740 No, I find the bird. 405 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,800 What did you think of today's testimonials? 406 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,980 Sorry, I'll just take a moment propose. Yes, but I know who you are 407 00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:51,700 you are. I am already familiar with the Flemish media. Sir, if you 408 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:55,140 wants an interview within a few weeks have about animal rights, then my 409 00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:56,840 organization, but not now. 410 00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:00,840 Hi Mark. 411 00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:03,420 Day. 412 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,880 You have agreed on this? No, no, no. 413 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:15,920 He wanted to do that double interview with us, but... After all, you have 414 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,520 both lost a daughter? 415 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Excuse me. 416 00:34:21,179 --> 00:34:24,540 Mark. How can stay friends believe? 417 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,820 Apparently I don't have such a good one after all idea. 418 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,620 Stefan, one quote. 419 00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:39,139 Please don't say anything positive about that one crazy. 420 00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:55,590 Are you following me? 421 00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:57,810 What? 422 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:00,770 Yes, just go home. 423 00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:03,070 Then why are you following me? 424 00:35:05,830 --> 00:35:09,090 It is certainly a pity, Karel, that the defense couldn't ask me. 425 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:12,870 No, the judge was just doing her job. 426 00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:15,930 Ooh, it's okay that I'm head of the jury stay. 427 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:18,990 No, because he's not with the process busy. 428 00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:30,610 Are you too wall-heavy? 429 00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:36,290 It's not important. 430 00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:44,470 Not important, because you're actually there would rather not have to spare. 431 00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:52,950 And you? 432 00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:55,030 Why are you late this morning? 433 00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:59,830 I dated my ex. 434 00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:03,490 Oh dear. 435 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:05,270 He's you the guy. 436 00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:07,470 I don't like knowing that. 437 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:10,910 Me neither. 438 00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:13,770 In any case, we agree on that agree. 439 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,240 Does that offer still apply to me? to drop off somewhere? If you change your manners 440 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,240 can keep, yes. 441 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,480 Okay. 442 00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:30,920 Drop me off to exercise. 443 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,160 What are you going to do perhaps? 444 00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:33,740 To climb. 445 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:34,960 To climb? 446 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,340 Yes. On a wall like that? 447 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,720 Mhm. 448 00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,600 You won't get me for that in his life. 449 00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:45,140 But well, I still think you are there would be pretty good at. 450 00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:07,060 Good. 451 00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:12,080 But okay, Yuri. 452 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,800 Do you have a good physical record? 453 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,960 Allee, Holly. 454 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:22,080 You say you shouldn't go under me stand. 455 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,480 I have a very clean view. 456 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,320 I really don't have to. 457 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,320 And now? 458 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,820 Come on, Yuri. Allee. 459 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:59,070 The newspapers have a lot of attention spent. 460 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:03,670 So you've seen it. 461 00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:07,070 The competition has a lot of money for it something like that. 462 00:38:09,010 --> 00:38:10,690 Shall we really start talking about those cents? 463 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:16,450 If you don't want to talk about money, then I don't say anything about the jury. 464 00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:18,470 And I still have something about that Holly. 465 00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:20,249 Come on, man. 466 00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:21,470 How long have we been going back? 467 00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:24,470 Four years? 468 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,310 I'll just ask your wife about it. 469 00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:39,030 The far amount. 470 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:16,250 Bon. 471 00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:19,390 Have you decided? 472 00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:22,210 What was that? 473 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:26,530 You are in serious trouble. 474 00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:28,730 What do you mean? 475 00:39:31,279 --> 00:39:32,279 Sure, sorry. 476 00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:37,280 No, I'm going to stop it. Real. Olly, seriously? No, I'm fine. Olly, 477 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,280 seriously? No, no, no. 478 00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:40,220 I'll feed it. 479 00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:13,930 Nice and warm inside. 480 00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:17,050 Ah yes, tap, tap, tap. 481 00:41:01,649 --> 00:41:03,150 Here, read that one more time. 482 00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:05,230 That's from the CLB for Juliette. 483 00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:43,510 Come on, 500 euros, Fabrice. You are anyway sure? 484 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:48,070 Hey, seriously? There was real discussion about it roles in the jury today. 485 00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:50,310 That's not cheap, man. 486 00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:53,070 Man has to survive, right, Fabrice. 487 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,520 Holly will become the Meulemeester internally replaced as head of the jury? 488 00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:02,510 Those threatening letters will really hurt us help. 489 00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:07,450 I thought I put them in a box in the garage, but I can't find them. 490 00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:10,010 Okay. Do you remember what it said? 491 00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:16,310 Things like... I'm destroying you. 492 00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:19,390 I'd rather take Roos with me grave. 493 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,140 I'm sorry. I really have to move on. 494 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,080 Stefan, wait for me at the hospital. Thank you.